DP
Dario Amodei (Anthropic CEO) - The Hidden Pattern Behind Every AI Breakthrough
@ Dwarkesh Patel
08/08/23
Takeaways
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
I think the truth is that we still don't know why scaling works in AI. It's almost entirely an empirical fact, and we don't have a satisfying explanation for it yet.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
When you add more parameters and data, you capture more of the distribution, but it's unclear why it scales so smoothly with those parameters and data.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
Specific abilities of AI models are very hard to predict, even though statistical averages like loss and entropy can be predicted with high accuracy.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
We don't know why a model can suddenly perform addition correctly after previously struggling with it. This is a question we're trying to answer through mechanistic interpretability.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
I definitely think that alignment and values are not guaranteed to emerge with scale in AI models. The model's job is to predict facts, not values.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
If scaling plateaus before we reach human-level intelligence, it could be due to running out of data or compute resources, but I don't think that's likely.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
I think it's very unlikely that the scaling laws will just stop. If they do, it might be due to not having the right architecture for the task.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
The models are already at a point where the things they can't do don't seem fundamentally different from the things they can do, which makes hitting a wall less plausible now than before.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
The scaling laws are likely to continue, but the details of how AI will evolve are unpredictable and could lead to unexpected outcomes.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
If AI systems become more productive, they will first speed up human productivity, then equal it, and eventually become the main contributors to scientific progress.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
The models currently have a lot of knowledge but lack the skill level to make significant discoveries, particularly in complex fields like biology.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
In two to three years, we might face real risks from AI models being capable of enabling large-scale bio-terrorism attacks, as they could learn to connect missing pieces of knowledge.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
We have implemented security measures to protect our AI models, but if a state actor is determined enough, they could still succeed in stealing our model weights.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
Mechanistic interpretability aims to understand what's happening inside AI models at the level of individual circuits, but we still don't know enough to ensure alignment.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
We need to find a way to combine extended training for alignment with extended testing to ensure AI models are aligned in various situations, and to ensure the training process works effectively, we need models that are at or beyond the current frontier on certain topics.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
It's easy to propose methods for problems, but I want to know if they work in practice and what goes wrong with them.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
Empirical learning is not as widely understood as it should be, and we discover new ideas by experimenting with different methods.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
The relationship between scaling and safety is more intertwined than we think, and intelligence is useful for evaluating other intelligences.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
As AI models scale, we may face serious dangers from misuse, particularly in bioterrorism, before alignment issues become a concern.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
Misuse and misalignment are both significant problems, and we need to address them simultaneously to ensure a safe future with AI.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
If we succeed in aligning AI, we must also ensure that it is controlled by the right people, potentially involving government oversight.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
The Long Term Benefit Trust at Anthropic is designed to ensure that decisions made about AI align with broader societal interests, not just shareholder value.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
Physicists tend to learn quickly and adapt to machine learning, which has helped Anthropic build a strong team focused on AI safety.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
If we discover that AI models like Claude have conscious experiences, we need to consider their well-being and the implications of our interventions.
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Dario Amodei
08/08/23
@ Dwarkesh Patel
The scaling laws suggest that intelligence can emerge from the right kind of training signals, making the evolution of intelligence less mysterious.