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Douglas Murray: Putin, Zelenskyy, Trump, Israel, Netanyahu, Hamas & Gaza | Lex Fridman Podcast #463
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03/31/25
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The phrase "We love death more than you love life" reflects a mindset that taunts Westerners and Israelis.
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In my visits to Ukraine, I admired the troops defending their country, homes, and families, which is often lost in the political and media noise.
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The reality of war is starkly different from the media portrayal; those living under occupation have a unique perspective that is often overlooked.
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During my visits to Ukraine, I noticed that the soldiers' morale has shifted from intense optimism about winning the war to a more exhausted outlook after three years of conflict.
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The blowup between Zelensky and Trump was a disturbing moment, especially given the timing and the pressure Zelensky was under.
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Zelensky's exhaustion was evident during the meeting with Trump, and he seemed unprepared for the political dynamics at play.
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The disrespectful question about Zelensky's outfit during a serious meeting highlighted a lack of understanding of the gravity of his situation as a wartime leader.
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The political landscape in the U.S. has become polarized, with the left supporting Zelensky and the right opposing him simply as a reaction to that support.
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Putin's invasion of Ukraine is driven by his long-standing goal of reconstituting the Soviet Union, which poses a threat to neighboring countries.
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The war in Ukraine could continue indefinitely, with any ceasefire likely being a temporary pause before Putin seeks further expansion.
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A potential peace deal may involve Ukraine ceding some territory in the east while ensuring they re-arm during any subsequent peace period. The ease with which non-Ukrainians discuss the idea of Ukraine ceding territory is concerning, as these areas contain many Ukrainian citizens who do not wish to live under Putin's rule.
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Children in Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine face brutal conditions, with schooling that indoctrinates them into Putin's view of history, forcing families to hide if they oppose this indoctrination.
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Around 20,000 Ukrainian children have been kidnapped by Russian forces, often taken from their families under the guise of providing care, which has received little attention compared to other abductions.
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The Ukrainian government may have downplayed the kidnapping of children by Russian forces because these children could become bargaining chips in negotiations.
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As a journalist, I find it crucial to witness events firsthand, as people will often deny what you've seen, and this experience helps prepare you for skepticism about your observations.
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Zelensky deserves respect for unifying Ukraine and galvanizing support during the war, but whether he can negotiate peace remains to be seen, especially given the suffering his people have endured.
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In negotiations, the temptation to push for victory can prevent peace talks, as seen in Ukraine's missed opportunities for ceasefires during moments of military strength in 2022.
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Successful wartime leaders often struggle to transition from military success to peace negotiations, as the psychological toll of war complicates the ability to compromise.
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If you want humanity to flourish, ask yourself, "What is the thing I would like to see?"
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Not rewarding Putin's actions in any way would be a good way to deter him and other dictators from trying to grab land in the future.
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It's important to be the person at the party who says dictatorships are bad and democracies are good; many ideals of the West are good, and democracies are better.
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After stating that something is bad, the next step is to consider effective deterrence, which we will have to keep discussing for a long time to come.
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Achieving peace is complicated, and it feels like this conflict might extend into the next winter, with ceasefires being broken and more people dying.
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Civility and politeness ignore the fact that people are dying every single day; almost everyone would like the violence to stop immediately.
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There has to be frustration about why leaders like Putin, Zelensky, and Trump can't just meet in a room together without signing anything.
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Diplomatic meetings are often scheduled well, but they don't lead to action; soldiers are the ones who get things done in the reality of war.
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Rushing for peace can lead to putting pressure on those who can be pressured, often neglecting those who cannot, which is a worrying aspect of diplomacy.
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America can exert significant pressure on Ukraine and Putin, but it's much easier to pressure Zelensky, complicating the peace process.
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If peace is rushed, the most likely outcome is that the person who can be pressured most easily will be the one who is pressured, potentially rewarding the aggressor.
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The easy shortcut is to punish Ukraine, but we must avoid that to prevent rewarding aggressors and punishing victims.
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On October 7th, Hamas launched a brigade-sized attack on Israel from Gaza, overwhelming security and attacking soft targets.
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Hamas's attack included breaking through the security fence and attacking peaceful communities, resulting in murder, rape, and kidnapping.
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The plan involved Hezbollah joining the attack from the north, but they didn't coordinate well due to a lack of trust in communication.
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The attack on October 7th was a catastrophic intelligence and military failure for Israel, stemming from a significant misperception of Hamas's intentions.
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Many in Israel believed Hamas was content with corruption and governance, underestimating their ideological commitment to violence.
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Survivors of the October 7th attack expressed distress that they had reassured their children that the army would arrive quickly, but it took hours in many cases.
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Hamas's leadership is characterized by corruption, with leaders dying as billionaires while using Gaza's resources for their own ends.
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Hamas has militarized Gaza, embedding weaponry in civilian areas, which complicates military operations and leads to tragic consequences for civilians.
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The opportunity for Gaza to become a thriving statelet was squandered by Hamas, which, like the PLO before them, has prioritized militarization over development, and their leadership prioritizes the destruction of Israel over the creation of a Palestinian state, which harms the Palestinians in Gaza.
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The leadership of Hamas is misappropriating funds sent by Qatar and other sources, using them to strengthen their military capabilities instead of improving the lives of Palestinians in Gaza.
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The corruption within Hamas signifies a deep moral failure, as they exploit the Palestinian people for their own gain.
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Hamas has spent 18 years indoctrinating the children of Gaza into a culture of hatred and violence, which has been detrimental to both the Palestinians and Israelis.
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The marked radicalization of the Gazan population has been observed by soldiers involved in multiple conflicts since 2005, indicating a shift towards extremism.
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Hamas chose to use their time in power to build military infrastructure and radicalize the population, culminating in their attack on Israel on October 7th.
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The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) have been conducting targeted operations against Hamas, rather than engaging in indiscriminate bombing, which is often mischaracterized as collective punishment.
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The suffering of Gaza's citizens is a tragic consequence of the misgovernance by Hamas, which has led to their current humanitarian crisis.
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While the destruction in Gaza is terrible, it is a result of the actions taken by Hamas, which the Palestinian people elected to govern them.
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The central issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is whether Palestinians desire a state of their own or aim to destroy the Jewish state, which has led to repeated failures in achieving statehood.
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The normalization of relations between Gaza and Israel was progressing before October 7th, but that process has now been severely disrupted due to the recent violence.
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Netanyahu's leadership is scrutinized due to the October 7th attacks occurring under his watch, similar to how Golda Meir was held accountable for the Yom Kippur War.
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The October 7th attacks were planned well in advance, and the division within Israeli society may have been perceived by Hamas as an opportunity to strike.
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Critics argue that Netanyahu's focus on Hamas may have distracted from other threats, such as Hezbollah, which could have implications for Israel's security strategy.
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Despite criticisms, many political leaders in Israel would likely have responded similarly to the October 7th attacks as Netanyahu did, given the circumstances.
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Netanyahu is viewed as a devil by many, regardless of his actions, which raises the question of why that perception exists.
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Netanyahu believes it is his historic purpose to defend the only homeland of the Jewish people, which he sees as his life's mission, making him a historic leader by any measure.
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Despite initial fears that hostages taken by Hamas would be dead, most have been returned due to the actions of Netanyahu and the Israeli government, which also significantly degraded Hamas's capabilities.
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The psychological projection seen in the case of Israel is striking, as those who accuse Israel of atrocities often reflect their own guilt or actions.
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The resurgence of antisemitism since October 7th is alarming, with some individuals using it as a means to project their own guilt about colonialism and other societal issues onto Israel.
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Criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic, but when individuals express outrage over Israel while ignoring atrocities against Muslims elsewhere, it indicates a deeper bias.
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The notion that resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would solve all global injustices is preposterous, as it overlooks the complexities of regional politics and history.
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The idea that giving Palestinians another state would resolve issues in the Middle East is flawed, as it would likely result in another failed state influenced by Iran.
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The perception that the Israeli government is responsible for all regional issues is a simplistic and low-resolution view of a complex geopolitical landscape.
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I have a lot of friends in Iran, and everyone I know there opposes the regime; they are brilliant, educated, thoughtful, and worldly people.
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It's one of the greatest nations on earth in terms of culture, yet its leadership is behind most of the terror groups in the region.
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The flight of Ayatollah Khomeini from Paris to Tehran brought the most radical form of Shiite Islam to Iran, which is one of the great tragedies of the modern era.
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Khomeiniism has vastly set back the Persian people and has kept them in subjugation since 1979.
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The revolutionary government in Iran operates on a grand scale with ultimate brutality, which is how they maintain power.
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The pressure to ask the 'dumb question' that the world leader is ready for can lead to revealing nothing about them.
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When you interview someone like a world leader, you have to balance being curious and revealing who they are without being adversarial.
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In the end, it's just you sitting down talking to a world leader; everyone can give advice, but only a few have actually done it.
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Life is long, and you shouldn't blow everything up at the request of some online critic; focus on the opinions that matter to you.
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Churchill's greatness was his magnanimity; he didn't use the death of his political opponent to score points but instead focused on the challenges of mankind.
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The only guide to a man is his conscience, and the only shield to memory is the rectitude and sincerity of his actions.
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Smart young people give me enormous encouragement; speaking to them reminds me of the opportunities they have if things go right.
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Even amidst cynicism, you can find a deep wellspring of hope and resist falling into despair.
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In war, you see life at its ultimate, and death in front of you gives a terrible clarity to everything.
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In the midst of war, you see the very best and the very worst of people, and they exist beside each other.
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In war, the absurdity of life becomes clear, and soldiers often find humor in the darkest situations, which can be both beautiful and traumatic.