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Jeffrey Wasserstrom: China, Xi Jinping, Trade War, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Mao | Lex Fridman Podcast #466
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Xi Jinping and Mao Zedong both have been subjects of intense personality cults, with Xi being the first leader since Mao to have a sustained cult of personality in China.
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Mao Zedong thrived on chaos and disorder, believing that class struggle was a means to improve society, while Xi Jinping prioritizes stability and predictability in governance.
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Xi Jinping promotes Confucian values, emphasizing stable hierarchies and clear roles, contrasting with Mao's rejection of Confucianism as a feudal mindset that hindered progress.
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Confucius believed that people are fundamentally similar at birth but become differentiated through education, which has led to a strong emphasis on meritocracy in Chinese culture.
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The 1989 Tiananmen Square protests aimed to push the Communist Party to adhere to its own ideals and liberalize, reflecting a frustration with the government's failure to deliver on promises of reform.
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The protests in 1989 were a mix of anti-corruption, demands for democracy, and a call for freedom of speech, with students expressing their frustrations over nepotism and economic inequality.
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The iconic image of the 'Tank Man' during the Tiananmen Square protests symbolizes bravery against oppression, representing a powerful moment of defiance against the Chinese government.
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The Chinese Communist Party is aware of the power of imagery, as seen in their efforts to control the narrative around protests and suppress images that could inspire dissent.
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The Chinese government has a history of disappearing individuals who challenge its authority, as exemplified by the fate of the 'Tank Man' and other protest figures.
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Censorship in modern China operates through fear, friction, and flooding, making it difficult for citizens to access information that contradicts the government's narrative.
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Orwell sent his former teacher a copy of '1984' in 1949, subtly suggesting it was a superior work to 'Brave New World', which he had criticized for not fully imagining a capitalist dystopia.
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Huxley believed future dictators would find less arduous ways to control populations, hinting that his vision in 'Brave New World' might be more relevant than Orwell's in '1984'.
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I think '1984' is a better philosophical work of fiction than 'Brave New World' because it clearly defines elements of a totalitarian regime, especially through its dissection of language.
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The censorship system in China is subtle; while books can be purchased, parts that connect ideas to the government are often removed, reflecting a complex form of control.
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During the COVID lockdowns, the intense monitoring in cities like Shanghai showcased a shift towards a 'Brave New World' style of control, blending elements of both Orwellian and Huxleyan dystopias.
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In Singapore, the absence of historians focusing on its own history reflects a broader trend of self-censorship in discussing sensitive topics, similar to dynamics in China.
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In Thailand, strict laws against criticizing the monarchy create a dangerous environment for free speech, illustrating the complexities of discussing sensitive political issues in various Asian countries.
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In the early 2000s, Mao would be amazed by the variety of books available in a Nanjing bookstore, including titles on entrepreneurship and self-improvement, which would be incomprehensible to him.
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Despite censorship, many students from mainland China demonstrate incredible free-thinking abilities, suggesting that the system is more porous than often perceived.
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The Chinese Communist Party's strategy has shifted to providing more consumer choices while tightening political control, aiming to prevent unrest similar to the Tiananmen Square protests.
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The Chinese Communist Party's narrative emphasizes stability and control, especially in light of global chaos, while attempting to maintain a facade of providing more choices to citizens.
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Xi Jinping's leadership has seen a narrowing of acceptable variations of Chinese identity, contrasting with the post-Tiananmen period that allowed more civil society space.
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Xi Jinping's leadership style is characterized by a desire for order and control, often suppressing differences and variations in Chinese identity, particularly in regions like Hong Kong and Inner Mongolia.
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The Chinese Communist Party's narrative of national rejuvenation is rooted in a historical context of foreign humiliation, aiming to prevent a repeat of past vulnerabilities.
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The perception of safety for journalists in China has shifted, with increased risks for those connected to dissidents or critical of the government, reflecting a tightening grip on freedom of expression.
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The dynamics of censorship in China have evolved, with increased scrutiny on individuals amplifying dissenting voices, particularly those connected to exiled dissidents.
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Victor Hugo is a rare Western author who has maintained a positive image in China, particularly for denouncing the destruction of the Old Summer Palace in Beijing during the Second Opium War, stating, "How can we claim to be civilized when we've destroyed one of the great creations of civilization?"
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Mark Twain is well-regarded in China for his criticism of American imperialism, which has contributed to his positive reputation there.
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When speaking with world leaders, I am aware that the Chinese Communist Party may be listening to my words, which raises concerns about how my discussions could affect my potential visit to China.
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The black box nature of the Chinese Communist Party's operations makes it difficult for journalists to operate in China, and there are strict limitations on discussing the private lives of Chinese leaders and corruption issues.
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The case of Guo Wengui, a Hong Kong bookseller who was kidnapped and remains imprisoned in China, illustrates the risks faced by those who publish works critical of the Chinese Communist Party.
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Xi Jinping's leadership is characterized by a desire for predictability, which contrasts with Donald Trump's unpredictable nature, creating tension in their relationship.
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The trade war between the U.S. and China is not just an economic conflict but also a cultural standoff, with both sides using tariffs and trade restrictions to assert their positions.
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Xi Jinping has positioned China as a responsible superpower that promotes a stable global trading framework, emphasizing self-reliance and hard work over reliance on others.
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The Chinese Communist Party's narrative of national humiliation influences its stance in international relations, particularly in the context of trade wars and foreign criticism.
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The 2019 Hong Kong protests were driven by fears of losing the rule of law and the unique freedoms that distinguish Hong Kong from mainland China, leading to massive public demonstrations.
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The protests in Hong Kong have become a referendum on the right to protest itself, with the government's strong-arm tactics galvanizing public support for the movement.
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The protests in Hong Kong, despite their immediate failure, were worthwhile as they planted ideas in people's minds that can resurface and inspire future movements.
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The Chinese Communist Party's leaders are aware of history and the potential for seemingly impossible changes to occur, as seen in past revolutions.
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The protests in Taiwan and Hong Kong have interconnected stories, influencing how people in the region agitate for their rights and freedoms.
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The interconnectedness of trade creates disincentives for military conflict, as nations are economically tied to one another, which can help in de-escalating tensions.
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Mao's vision of revolution included the peasantry as a radical force, which was a departure from the traditional Marxist view that focused on urban workers.
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Xi Jinping's leadership reflects a blend of Mao's legacy, focusing on one-party rule while also celebrating traditional Confucian values.
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Mao's disastrous policies, like the Great Leap Forward, were driven by a combination of ego and a culture of fear that prevented accurate reporting of failures, leading to immense suffering.
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Xi Jinping acknowledges the successes of both the early and later years of the People's Republic of China, suggesting a new era that benefits from both periods.
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The unpredictability of political movements means that even in failure, the ideas and spirit of protests can influence future actions and inspire change in other regions.
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The spirit of Hong Kong is being kept alive in diaspora communities around the world, representing a vision of a different way of being Chinese and a different notion of Chineseness.