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Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson: Politics, Trump, AOC, Elon & DOGE | Lex Fridman Podcast #462
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03/25/25
Takeaways
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One of the themes of our book is how inefficient government can be, often failing to achieve its own ends, such as building affordable housing or high-speed rail.
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We need to think about deregulating government itself to remove the rules that prevent it from achieving democratic outcomes.
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To change the Democratic Party, we need standard bearers willing to admit past mistakes and change their views and actions.
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Elon Musk's leadership at Tesla, SpaceX, and X is characterized by a clear vision that his employees understand, unlike the current lack of clarity in leadership within the Democratic Party.
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The left believes that government should rectify unfairness in society, not necessarily to achieve perfect equality, but to ensure universal dignity and flourishing lives for all.
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The left is fundamentally more skeptical of unchecked capitalism than the right, believing that unchecked capitalism can lead to exploitation and environmental harm.
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The Democratic Party is currently fragmented and weak, lacking a clear leader or direction, which is unprecedented in my lifetime.
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Democrats still think the currency of politics is money, while the currency of politics is actually attention, highlighting a significant difference between the two sides right now.
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Democrats often optimize for avoiding negative attention, while the Trumpist wing of the Republican Party understands that a volume of attention, even if negative, is beneficial for gaining agenda control.
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Attention is the coin of the realm in politics, and the way to gain it is often through conflict and doing things that the other side disagrees with.
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The Democratic Party's bureaucratic culture and fear of making anyone mad is not suited for the current attentional era, which favors bold and authentic communication.
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The next successful political leader will need to synthesize the lessons of the current political landscape while addressing the discontent with platforms like Twitter.
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TikTok politics is not a good place because it turns us against each other, and we need to be authentically angry about what we've become.
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We need political leaders who genuinely oppose the divisive tactics of political consultants and pollsters, similar to how Obama ran as a reformer.
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The left will not have a figure like Joe Rogan or Donald Trump because it operates differently than the right, but it will need someone authentically representative of this era.
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As we enter a new political period, people will seek alternatives to the current attentional economy, which may involve accepting negative attention for being authentic.
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You cannot change American politics or the Democratic Party without being willing to upset people, just as Donald Trump reformed the Republican Party by challenging its sacred cows.
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The Democratic Party needs to evolve beyond the exhausted Obama Coalition and must have leaders willing to admit past mistakes and change their views.
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The left uniquely attacks its own more intensely than other parts of the political spectrum, which can be seen in the current intra-left coalitional fight.
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The Democratic Party is currently in a fight for defining the future of liberalism, and this struggle is essential for its evolution.
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We are in an era of anti-establishment politics, and Democrats risk being seen as defenders of the status quo, which could be detrimental in today's political climate.
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Our book aims to channel the anger people have at the establishment towards constructive solutions in areas like housing, energy, and governance.
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The left must embrace a more open approach to media engagement, as seen with figures like Gavin Newsom, who is willing to take risks in reaching out to diverse audiences.
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The reluctance of Democratic politicians to engage in long-form interviews reflects a cultural norm that needs to change for better communication with the public.
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Democratic politicians often fear the repercussions of saying the wrong thing in interviews, which limits their willingness to engage in open dialogue.
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The cultural expectation for politicians to avoid long interviews stems from a fear of negative attention, which is not as prevalent among Republican politicians.
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The left's hesitance to engage in diverse platforms has led to a loss of significant cultural influence, as they often avoid spaces where they might face opposition.
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The affordability crisis, particularly in housing, is a critical issue that Democrats must address to regain public trust and support.
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Democrats have failed to provide solutions for the rising cost of living, which is a significant factor in the current political landscape.
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The Democratic Party's failure to address the cost of living crisis is driving people away from blue states to more affordable regions, highlighting a need for effective governance.
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The book "Abundance" argues for a shift in Democratic politics towards building and creating more of what people need, rather than just blocking opposition.
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The book advocates for a government that effectively organizes to create more of what people need, focusing on housing and energy as critical areas for reform.
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There is a tension between the left's focus on wealth redistribution and the need to increase the supply of housing and energy to create opportunities for all.
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The left must recognize that constricting housing supply exacerbates inequality, as it limits opportunities for working-class families to afford homes.
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The concept of supply-side progressivism emphasizes the need for increased housing and energy supply to address the fundamental economic challenges of our time.
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We need to expand the supply of goods or services when implementing aggressive redistribution policies, like increasing rental vouchers in the San Francisco housing market, to avoid driving prices up due to constrained supply.
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To effectively reduce American poverty, we must implement demand-side policies such as expanding the child tax credit, earned income tax credit, and cash welfare, while also addressing supply-side issues to ensure housing affordability.
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If we only focus on demand-side policies without addressing supply-side issues, like increasing housing supply, we will fail to bring down housing prices, which are a significant part of a typical family's budget.
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Housing is crucial for freedom and quality of life, as it affects where people can live and their ability to achieve a good life. Housing policy impacts innovation, childcare costs, and the ability to live near family and friends.
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The rise of NIMBYism, or 'not in my backyard' attitudes, has led to a significant decline in housing permits in progressive areas, as regulations and laws empower citizens to block new developments.
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The housing problem is not just about the physical structure; it's about creating environments where economic opportunity thrives, allowing diverse populations to innovate and grow together.
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We need to shift our mindset to prioritize outcomes over processes in government, ensuring that when promises are made, they are fulfilled, particularly in housing and infrastructure development.
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The environmental regulations established in the 1960s and 1970s, while necessary at the time, have now become obstacles to building new housing and clean energy infrastructure, which are essential for addressing current challenges like climate change.
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The Democratic Party has become a party of lawyers, which has led to a focus on procedural legitimacy over actual outcomes, resulting in a failure to deliver affordable housing and meet the needs of citizens.
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I think the steelman case for a Department of Government Efficiency is very easy to make, especially if government is inefficient.
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Derek Thompson
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One of the themes of our book is just how inefficient government can be, not only at building houses and energy but also at achieving its own ends, like building high-speed rail.
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Derek Thompson
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We need to think about deregulating government itself, getting the rules out of the way that keep government from achieving the democratic outcomes it aims for.
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Derek Thompson
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The idea of a Department of Government Efficiency is crucial for making government work well, especially for those who believe in the importance of government.
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The steelman case for DOGE is that the government is an interest, and breaking it down is necessary to make change possible.
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The only way to make radical change in government is to bulldoze the existing structure and then rebuild it, allowing for a fresh start.
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The current administration's approach is about breaking down the existing government structure without articulating clear goals for what should replace it.
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The lack of articulated goals in the current government restructuring leads to confusion about whether the job is to take away or add resources.
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The current approach to government under DOGE is subtractive, focusing on cutting rather than adding necessary resources for effective governance.
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If the FDA cuts probationary employees, it won't become more efficient; it will become less efficient due to the same amount of work being spread over fewer people.
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The approach of centralizing power under Trump is evident in how he interacts with Congress, using financial threats to maintain control over Republican representatives.
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The chaos in tariff announcements reflects a lack of coherent economic strategy, driven more by personality than by sound policy.
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The current economic indicators suggest that the aggressive cutting of regulations and workforce is leading to negative outcomes, contrary to the intended goals of efficiency.
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Trump's approach to tariffs is a stable change in the cost structure for corporations and trade, allowing different players to make long-term investment decisions based on this new structure.
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Trump uses tariffs as a form of executive control, which he can implement unilaterally, unlike trade deals that require negotiation and ratification with Congress.
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Trump's desire for control is a consistent theme in his politics, using tariffs as leverage in foreign policy, especially given America's economic power.
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The tariffs can be used to address various issues, such as manufacturing loss or immigration policies, demonstrating Trump's leverage over local leaders like Eric Adams.
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Trump's governing philosophy reflects a desire for more power, akin to leaders in countries like Russia and China, which he openly admires.
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The Democratic Party must become less rule-bound and more focused on outcomes to effectively govern and respond to the challenges of the modern era.
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The Democratic Party's obsession with process over outcomes has led to failures in achieving their goals, necessitating a shift in focus to effective governance.
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The failure of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law to deliver rural broadband highlights the bureaucratic hurdles that prevent government from achieving its goals.
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The inefficiencies in government processes, such as the 14-stage process for funding rural broadband, demonstrate how bureaucracy can hinder progress.
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The Democratic Party must embrace a vision that prioritizes outcomes over procedural adherence to effectively engage with the public's frustrations.
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The need for a political identity that values efficient bureaucracies while reforming institutions is crucial for addressing contemporary challenges.
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The challenges faced by the NIH highlight the need for reform in scientific funding processes to better support innovative research.
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Technological advancements, particularly in biomedical science, offer hope for significant breakthroughs that could improve health and quality of life.
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The potential for AI to synthesize knowledge and facilitate innovative solutions could lead to a new era of breakthroughs in various fields.
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The future of America hinges on the ability to create a government that is responsive and effective, which requires a commitment to institutional reform.
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The future of governance requires a balance between leveraging technology and ensuring that institutions are designed to foster innovation and responsiveness.
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Investing in unconventional scientific projects can lead to transformative discoveries, as seen with the potential of lizard venom-derived drugs for treating diseases.
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The current political climate is marked by unpredictability, but it also presents opportunities for remarkable advancements in technology and governance.